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		<title>Comment on Take Responsibility. Perfect Your Walk. (Part 1) by Greg,</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg,</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 00:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I agree that we must know the word of God to know God and to know why he thinks and acts the way he does. In my reading of scripture it has become apparant that the desire or one of the desires, of God&#039;s heart is that we see HIS heart and carry out in our lives what is on his heart and mind. See Jeremiah 9:24, Ist Samuel 2:35, 1st Samuel 13:14, . 

Jesus also tells us to guard our hearts which I constantly fail to do. To me the article above and also part two and three clearly tackle certain issues within our walk that have a profound influence on Christians. To me the biggest conundrum to face and deal with in my walk without a shadow of a doubt is the idea when it comes to sin that &quot; ah you cannot do it in your own strength&quot;. This meaning that if I face temptation and sin and say no constantly especially with a besetting sin, that I am doing it in my own strength and not in the spirit. 

It&#039;s as if people are saying that if I use my own mind and will to make decisions not to sin that I am following the law and being legalist. The issue seems to be to people that if I think that by fighting sin in my life the Lord will love me more is continuing the race in the flesh. but I see from scripture in hebrews that you can make the Lord angry. I also see that there are scriptures that tell us that WE are clearly to take responsibility for our own lives once we know the truth about Jesus. Is this not so?

On the Phrase &quot; Check in my spirit&quot; I have used that several times and still do. I understand the subjective connotation that can be attached to it but I usually see it as coming from observing something or hearing something that does not line up with what I have read in scripture or what I believe goes against the nature and character of God from what I have studied in the word. The mind works very fast at times and information can be processed very quickly. 

 Greg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I agree that we must know the word of God to know God and to know why he thinks and acts the way he does. In my reading of scripture it has become apparant that the desire or one of the desires, of God&#8217;s heart is that we see HIS heart and carry out in our lives what is on his heart and mind. See Jeremiah 9:24, Ist Samuel 2:35, 1st Samuel 13:14, . </p>
<p>Jesus also tells us to guard our hearts which I constantly fail to do. To me the article above and also part two and three clearly tackle certain issues within our walk that have a profound influence on Christians. To me the biggest conundrum to face and deal with in my walk without a shadow of a doubt is the idea when it comes to sin that &#8221; ah you cannot do it in your own strength&#8221;. This meaning that if I face temptation and sin and say no constantly especially with a besetting sin, that I am doing it in my own strength and not in the spirit. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s as if people are saying that if I use my own mind and will to make decisions not to sin that I am following the law and being legalist. The issue seems to be to people that if I think that by fighting sin in my life the Lord will love me more is continuing the race in the flesh. but I see from scripture in hebrews that you can make the Lord angry. I also see that there are scriptures that tell us that WE are clearly to take responsibility for our own lives once we know the truth about Jesus. Is this not so?</p>
<p>On the Phrase &#8221; Check in my spirit&#8221; I have used that several times and still do. I understand the subjective connotation that can be attached to it but I usually see it as coming from observing something or hearing something that does not line up with what I have read in scripture or what I believe goes against the nature and character of God from what I have studied in the word. The mind works very fast at times and information can be processed very quickly. </p>
<p> Greg.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chief apostle Eric vonAnderseck and his school of Errors by StevePage</title>
		<link>http://stevepage.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/chief-apostle-eric-vonanderseck-and-his-school-of-errors/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>StevePage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen. Thank you Nick.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Chief apostle Eric vonAnderseck and his school of Errors by Nick</title>
		<link>http://stevepage.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/chief-apostle-eric-vonanderseck-and-his-school-of-errors/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 02:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Father we pray, May the world be warned about the false apostle Eric vonAnderseck, Maria vonAnderseck, John Welty, &amp; JoAnne Cremer. Have mercy O God! In the name of your son Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior we pray AMEN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Father we pray, May the world be warned about the false apostle Eric vonAnderseck, Maria vonAnderseck, John Welty, &amp; JoAnne Cremer. Have mercy O God! In the name of your son Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior we pray AMEN</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chief apostle Eric vonAnderseck and his school of Errors by StevePage</title>
		<link>http://stevepage.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/chief-apostle-eric-vonanderseck-and-his-school-of-errors/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>StevePage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have started an apostle Eric info page @ http://heforgives.org/Apostle_Eric_the_Apostate_apostle.html

If any person has experience with Eric or Second 8TH Week and would like to submit their testimony I will post it.

I know that I could copy and paste what is written here and that you can also. BUT,I recently found out that if that is done Google and the search engines would rank that page and this page lower, reducing the chance that it will be seen by anyone.
For the Kingdom, Steve Page

contact@heforgives.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have started an apostle Eric info page @ <a href="http://heforgives.org/Apostle_Eric_the_Apostate_apostle.html" rel="nofollow">http://heforgives.org/Apostle_Eric_the_Apostate_apostle.html</a></p>
<p>If any person has experience with Eric or Second 8TH Week and would like to submit their testimony I will post it.</p>
<p>I know that I could copy and paste what is written here and that you can also. BUT,I recently found out that if that is done Google and the search engines would rank that page and this page lower, reducing the chance that it will be seen by anyone.<br />
For the Kingdom, Steve Page</p>
<p><a href="mailto:contact@heforgives.org">contact@heforgives.org</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Chief apostle Eric vonAnderseck and his school of Errors by StevePage</title>
		<link>http://stevepage.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/chief-apostle-eric-vonanderseck-and-his-school-of-errors/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>StevePage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Mario, that is what he believes.  He teaches that &quot;the average Joe&quot;(as he puts it) cannot understand Scripture without having it explained to us by an Apostle.  More accurately he teaches we cannot understand Scripture unless he teaches us.  He has attempted to replace the Holy Spirit with himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Mario, that is what he believes.  He teaches that &#8220;the average Joe&#8221;(as he puts it) cannot understand Scripture without having it explained to us by an Apostle.  More accurately he teaches we cannot understand Scripture unless he teaches us.  He has attempted to replace the Holy Spirit with himself.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chief apostle Eric vonAnderseck and his school of Errors by Mario Ortega</title>
		<link>http://stevepage.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/chief-apostle-eric-vonanderseck-and-his-school-of-errors/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>Mario Ortega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stated,

&quot;...Does this man who dares to call himself an apostle, truly believe that Scripture cannot produce salvation...&quot;

What says the scriptures?

II Timothy 3:15 &quot;...from a child thou hath known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto SALVATION through faith which is in Christ Jesus.&quot;

&quot;Holy Scripture&quot; refer primarily to the O.T. yet, could include some of the N.T. seeing as all but seven of the N.T. books were written before II Timothy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stated,</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Does this man who dares to call himself an apostle, truly believe that Scripture cannot produce salvation&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>What says the scriptures?</p>
<p>II Timothy 3:15 &#8220;&#8230;from a child thou hath known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto SALVATION through faith which is in Christ Jesus.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Holy Scripture&#8221; refer primarily to the O.T. yet, could include some of the N.T. seeing as all but seven of the N.T. books were written before II Timothy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chief apostle Eric vonAnderseck and his school of Errors by stevepage</title>
		<link>http://stevepage.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/chief-apostle-eric-vonanderseck-and-his-school-of-errors/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>stevepage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sent this to Lee Grady and others on the Charisma site. Hopefully it will also be posted in the forums themselves. If anyone feels led to post it.


Dear Lee, I have pasted an email that I sent to the moderators of the Charisma forums. I&#039;m sending it to you because you are the most respected person at Charisma. I do not know if you ever read the forums, but they have been taken control of by a cult leader named Eric vonAnderseck. The moderators are systematically banning those who oppose him.

In all fairness to the mods, I have not always been very diplomatic or polite. I want to be clear that this is in no way a plea to be reinstated to the forums. I am at peace with being banned. Thank you for your time and your attention. Steve Page

I was recently banned from your forum for my strong and verbal opposition to Eric vonAnderseck who claims he is a &quot;Chief Apostle&quot;, who also founded his own school and then gave himself a doctorate from that school.

I was wondering if Jesus would have been banned from your forum. So I looked at some things he said and I see that he would have been.

Matthew 23:33
&quot;You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

Matthew 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: &quot;You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?

The moderators would have banned Jesus for His un-Christian speech. As we all know Paul, Peter and James would not have withstood the scrutiny of the moderators either. Just as Jesus accurately described the unholy Pharisees others and I have also described the unholy Second 8TH Week Apostolic Institute founder, the false apostle Eric vonAnderseck.

I suppose the mistake is ours though, we thought this was a Christian forum. The moderators fooled us when they mentioned Jesus in the forum rules. However the moderators prove the forum to not be Christian by their tolerance of the false apostle Eric vonAnderseck.

The Apostle John, who was a real Apostle, wrote, &quot;Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.&quot;

Eric vonAnderseck has written on your forum that Scripture is unable to produce salvation. That is an example of how Eric vonAnderseck does &quot;not continue in the teaching of Christ&quot; and that he &quot;does not have God.&quot; You have welcomed this anti-Christian into your forum and offered him protection from the truth. You share in his &quot;wicked work.&quot; You ignored his unholy and unrighteous message because he presents it politely. You banned those who oppose him because you love politeness more than holiness. Sometimes the expectation of holiness gets messy. It appears the moderators at the Charisma forums prefer no mess and no hassle to holiness.

May you someday operate in the Spirit of the Lord.

Steve Page</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sent this to Lee Grady and others on the Charisma site. Hopefully it will also be posted in the forums themselves. If anyone feels led to post it.</p>
<p>Dear Lee, I have pasted an email that I sent to the moderators of the Charisma forums. I&#8217;m sending it to you because you are the most respected person at Charisma. I do not know if you ever read the forums, but they have been taken control of by a cult leader named Eric vonAnderseck. The moderators are systematically banning those who oppose him.</p>
<p>In all fairness to the mods, I have not always been very diplomatic or polite. I want to be clear that this is in no way a plea to be reinstated to the forums. I am at peace with being banned. Thank you for your time and your attention. Steve Page</p>
<p>I was recently banned from your forum for my strong and verbal opposition to Eric vonAnderseck who claims he is a &#8220;Chief Apostle&#8221;, who also founded his own school and then gave himself a doctorate from that school.</p>
<p>I was wondering if Jesus would have been banned from your forum. So I looked at some things he said and I see that he would have been.</p>
<p>Matthew 23:33<br />
&#8220;You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?</p>
<p>Matthew 3:7<br />
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: &#8220;You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?</p>
<p>The moderators would have banned Jesus for His un-Christian speech. As we all know Paul, Peter and James would not have withstood the scrutiny of the moderators either. Just as Jesus accurately described the unholy Pharisees others and I have also described the unholy Second 8TH Week Apostolic Institute founder, the false apostle Eric vonAnderseck.</p>
<p>I suppose the mistake is ours though, we thought this was a Christian forum. The moderators fooled us when they mentioned Jesus in the forum rules. However the moderators prove the forum to not be Christian by their tolerance of the false apostle Eric vonAnderseck.</p>
<p>The Apostle John, who was a real Apostle, wrote, &#8220;Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.&#8221;</p>
<p>Eric vonAnderseck has written on your forum that Scripture is unable to produce salvation. That is an example of how Eric vonAnderseck does &#8220;not continue in the teaching of Christ&#8221; and that he &#8220;does not have God.&#8221; You have welcomed this anti-Christian into your forum and offered him protection from the truth. You share in his &#8220;wicked work.&#8221; You ignored his unholy and unrighteous message because he presents it politely. You banned those who oppose him because you love politeness more than holiness. Sometimes the expectation of holiness gets messy. It appears the moderators at the Charisma forums prefer no mess and no hassle to holiness.</p>
<p>May you someday operate in the Spirit of the Lord.</p>
<p>Steve Page</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chief apostle Eric vonAnderseck and his school of Errors by Brian</title>
		<link>http://stevepage.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/chief-apostle-eric-vonanderseck-and-his-school-of-errors/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Satan &amp; his ministers aer having a field day for now but they are going to answer to Jesus for it!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Pot Smoking Christians by Meg</title>
		<link>http://stevepage.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/everybody-must-get-stoned/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW!!!!! Independent confirmation, Steve, thank you! I said exactly the same thing at Christian Life that pot gives you a false sense of being &quot;spiritual&quot;. Your argument is way better than mine was too. Oh thank you, I am getting it right, and so are you. What a relief! I&#039;m getting so close to real freedom FINALLY!!! In Christ, Meg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW!!!!! Independent confirmation, Steve, thank you! I said exactly the same thing at Christian Life that pot gives you a false sense of being &#8220;spiritual&#8221;. Your argument is way better than mine was too. Oh thank you, I am getting it right, and so are you. What a relief! I&#8217;m getting so close to real freedom FINALLY!!! In Christ, Meg</p>
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		<title>Comment on Generational Curses, Demon possessed children of God and other Charismatic Voodoo (part 1) by StevePage</title>
		<link>http://stevepage.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/generational-curses-demon-possessed-children-of-god-and-other-charismatic-voodoo-part-1/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>StevePage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those scriptures show nothing. There are no generational curse on those that have been saved, love the Lord and are living in His will.  

Speaking of ignoring verses, I&#039;d like to point out to other readers how dangerous it is to take things out of context.  Truth Seeker stated that I ignored Deuteronomy 5:9. It reads: You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,&quot;  It is speaking about those who serve false gods.  Had Truth Seeker read the entire context of that scripture she/he would have read verse 10 also.  It reads &quot;but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.&quot;  This would refer to those who love God, like Born Again Christians, proving what I said in my blog.  Truth Seeker makes the same error when she/he states I ignored Exodus 20:5, she/he failed to stay in context and read the following verse, which says, &quot;but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.&quot;  Yet another verse that shows, beyond doubt that generational curse do not affect those who love Jesus. 

Lets not forget what the Prophet Jeremiah said (Probably prophesying about Jesus) Jeremiah 31:29-30 &quot;In those days people will no longer say, ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge.’ Instead, everyone will die for his own sin; whoever eats sour grapes—his own teeth will be set on edge.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those scriptures show nothing. There are no generational curse on those that have been saved, love the Lord and are living in His will.  </p>
<p>Speaking of ignoring verses, I&#8217;d like to point out to other readers how dangerous it is to take things out of context.  Truth Seeker stated that I ignored Deuteronomy 5:9. It reads: You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,&#8221;  It is speaking about those who serve false gods.  Had Truth Seeker read the entire context of that scripture she/he would have read verse 10 also.  It reads &#8220;but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.&#8221;  This would refer to those who love God, like Born Again Christians, proving what I said in my blog.  Truth Seeker makes the same error when she/he states I ignored Exodus 20:5, she/he failed to stay in context and read the following verse, which says, &#8220;but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.&#8221;  Yet another verse that shows, beyond doubt that generational curse do not affect those who love Jesus. </p>
<p>Lets not forget what the Prophet Jeremiah said (Probably prophesying about Jesus) Jeremiah 31:29-30 &#8220;In those days people will no longer say, ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge.’ Instead, everyone will die for his own sin; whoever eats sour grapes—his own teeth will be set on edge.&#8221;</p>
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